0074: Battle of the GOAT, stat for stat : Jordan vs LeBron

Two eras. One label that never sits still. We brought a full-court, three-round debate to the table to test what “greatest of all time” really means when you compare Michael Jordan and LeBron James across scoring, defense, longevity, and clutch DNA. No fluff—just context, stats, and the moments that still live rent-free in every fan’s head.

We start with peak value: Jordan’s 37.1 points per game season and ten scoring titles versus LeBron’s all-around engine that powers any lineup he touches. From there, we step into the era minefield. Does 90s hand-checking and paint warfare elevate MJ’s mid-range mastery, or does today’s pace-and-space reward LeBron’s multi-position versatility and playmaking gravity? You’ll hear the strongest cases for both, including how each game would translate if they swapped timelines.

The debate sharpens around two defining lenses. First, longevity and impact: LeBron’s two-plus decades of starter-level excellence and all-time scoring crown against Jordan’s spotless 6-0 Finals record, six Finals MVPs, and relentless endgame ownership. Second, signature moments: the flu game and the last shot over Bryon Russell vs the 3–1 comeback against a 73–9 Warriors team. We unpack why those memories matter, how rules shaped them, and what they reveal about “alpha” mentality, clutch tolerance, and leadership.

We also wade into the modern reality of player power. Is LeBron’s roster influence a knock or part of being a franchise-level problem solver? Did Jordan’s approach reflect a different culture—or a different definition of focus? By the end, we don’t hand out an easy verdict. We build a clearer framework: decide your criteria, test for era-proof skills, weigh apex versus endurance, and then make your call.

Ready to plant your flag? Hit play, then drop your verdict in the comments: MJ or LeBron—and why. If this debate sharpened your thinking, follow the show, share with a friend who loves hoops arguments, and leave a quick review so more fans can join the conversation.

Chapters

• 0:00 Cold Open: The GOAT Argument Erupts
• 0:54 Welcome And Format For The Debate
• 3:56 Assigning Sides: MJ Vs LeBron
• 6:28 Round 1: Peak Scoring And Role
• 12:05 Era Talk: 90s Defense Vs Modern Pace
• 18:00 Could Each Star Dominate The Other Era
• 22:05 Round 2: Longevity, Awards, And Receipts
• 30:00 All-Time Ranks And Advanced Metrics
• 36:45 Team Play, Alpha Mentality, And GOAT Criteria
• 42:00 Round 3: Defining GOAT Moments
• 47:30 Influence, “LeGM,” And Player Power
• 54:00 Playoff Paths, Supporting Casts, And Context
• 1:01:00 Closing Arguments And Moderator’s Take
• 1:12:30 Credits, Sponsors, And Calls For Comments

Transcript

SPEAKER_04: 0:00

Battle of the GOATs, stat for stat, LeBron versus MJ.

SPEAKER_02: 0:04

I don't think LeBron will survive in the 90s. LeBron is a machine. Look at this guy. He's a physical specimen. How can you say he would not survive in the 80s?

SPEAKER_04: 0:15

Let's say that MJ started a little bit later in his season and he's actually playing right now during the LeBron era. Do you think MJ would have GOAT status?

SPEAKER_01: 0:23

Beyond the GOAT status. From where you're talking, Remy, you don't seem like you know a lot about basketball. You're saying that. How do you say that, bro? Because he's saying that the defense from the the 90s is not the same as now. None of the best players has ever said that they're the GOAT. The only one who ever's done that was LeBron. And that's why you're getting a lot of heat on your ass. But you don't, again, you don't take accountability. You point the fingers.

SPEAKER_04: 0:54

Welcome, welcome, welcome. What up, T Hustle? What is going on, man? Chillin' my guys. Been a while since I had a chance to chat up with you on the line here. Raymond, don't call him Ray Ray. What up, player? Slide up a little closer to the mic, man. Like, what's wrong with you, man? You alright?

SPEAKER_03: 1:09

I'm good.

SPEAKER_04: 1:12

He is a little bit nervous, but he's in gear right now, so I'm really, really enjoying it. Well, I'm your host, Bobby D. Um, we're here at the podcast, the Tech Outs of Podcast, and we got a special episode for us today. This is episode number 74. And we've been holding it down. Give us a big round of applause for that, man. We've been really holding it down. Um 74 plus a few. I mean, we we we we've got we we got a good track record. So if this is the first time you're here, check out our uh portfolio. Welcome, welcome, welcome. Those that's already been held, welcome back. You already know how we do. Um, this is episode number 74, which is titled Battle of the Goats, stat for stat, LeBron versus MJ. Give it a round of applause. Um this is not our normal episode where I'll be doing a tech talk and D Hustle be current events. Oh, I forgot to introduce everybody. D Hustle, my guy. What's going on? All right, Raymond, don't call him Ray Ray, especially those that haven't been here before. Uh, check us out. Um, but both of these two fellas, uh, during our sports sections, always have some type of debate about who is the GOAT, especially when it comes to basketball. Um, football sometimes, but definitely basketball really brings out the good side of both of them. They're both special. Uh so I was like, you know what? Um, in our last episode, if you uh caught that, I was like, yo, we should just do an episode that y'all just gonna get it out. Let's talk about sports, let's really just make it something that um, number one, is noteworthy because y'all pulled up to check it out, but also definitely uh a chance for you know the audience to see us talk about different types of things because we've been on that tech tip for a good minute. It's not like we're getting off of it, we're just more or less having some you know, guy conversation. How's that sound for you, fellas? Sounds good. Yeah, yeah, yeah. So um let me just go through the rules just a little bit so that everybody's on the page. I mean, not no rules, but just some lay of the land, all right, fellas. Uh so uh we will be running three rounds of questions. Um I'll be the moderator, and uh I'm not gonna do any scoring because I was talking to somebody and was like, oh, you're gonna be biased because you you and I was like, all right, all right, all right. What we're gonna do is we're gonna have three rounds. I'm gonna give my opinion, but it's not a final score. We're gonna have the audience help us decide who wins this battle. And it's all gonna be in the comments below. So definitely make some comments and let us know. Even if you just go in there and say MJ or LeBron, we just want to hear y'all's feedback. So don't hesitate to jump in the comments to let us know who won this battle. Uh, but we're gonna have a total of three rounds. Um, each person gets about 30 seconds to answer the question uninterrupted, right? If there is a rebuttal, then feel free to go back and forth in terms of the rebuttal. Um, and our goal here is to keep it cordial, but don't be afraid to you know take the gloves off a little bit, man. We're trying to be entertained here, okay, Raymond? Don't you all right, Raymond? I'm good. D D's ready for the battle. You ever about to go to war, and then you see the one soldier right there in the front of the line ready to go, and the other one's just sitting in the back. We're like, all right, I guess today's the day.

SPEAKER_03: 4:09

I hope I don't die.

SPEAKER_04: 4:12

But in general, uh, we definitely want to make sure we're having a good time. We'll do three rounds of questions, um, and then we'll have uh the decision made by the audience, especially if you're following along. Tell your friends about us because we need more votes to come in. All right. Give us some cue up music. I don't know what we got in the cube the other day. There we go. My guy, you know what time it is. If you didn't know, I don't need to do an introduction to my guy De Hustle, but y'all already know my guy. He runs the sports section over here. And that intro music is always, always on point. So thank you so much, sir. Thank you. So, um, what I would like to do first of all is to um y'all can do like you know how to play rock, paper, scissors, right? You know how to play rock, paper, scissors, right? Let's do rock, paper, scissors, real quick to see who. We don't need that. Let him go first?

SPEAKER_01: 5:00

I'm gonna I'm gonna let him go. He doesn't look prepared, so I'm gonna let him go.

SPEAKER_04: 5:02

Oh, look at him. He's such a gentleman. Look at you. You're gonna either gonna let him go first?

SPEAKER_01: 5:06

I'm gonna let him go.

SPEAKER_04: 5:07

Alright, so let's first identify which team is what team. D Hustle's gonna be representing Michael. Oh, Michael Jordan. And then we got my guy Raymond. Don't call him Ray Ray, is gonna be representing LeBron James. No, no, no. Come on, D. Like I you see, I knew this is gonna happen. I'm having to switch for.

SPEAKER_03: 5:28

I need to give it on the switch.

SPEAKER_04: 5:30

Give him a round of applause, but see that that's why I actually came here to at least have my own sound. So we'll we'll give Raymond a little bit. It's not as massive, but uh at least some recognition. All right, all right. But anyways, uh Raymond Don't call him Rain Ray will be representing baffled right now.

SPEAKER_01: 5:49

He ain't got no materials, no information. It's all right here. That's crazy. And he came with a fucking hat and a jerk and a shirt.

SPEAKER_04: 5:56

He's prepared, bro. I mean I mean, he's prepared. So, in terms of uh first person up, Raymond Don't Call Him Rain Ray will be representing LeBron James, and that's for the new age, new era, um, and then T Hussel's gonna go old school with it and hold down MJ. Um, I ain't got no bias, um, but I'm I'm gonna try to stay out of it a little bit. All right. So the first question that I have here in round number one, and there might be some follow-up questions, um, but the the main thing that we want to uh focus on here is uh who in terms of well we're not gonna ask. Based on LeBron James' performance, on average, uh he scores at his peak how many points a game? Um, and what does that say about him in terms of as a score? First question lined up. Let's go, Raymond.

SPEAKER_02: 6:44

Okay, so averaging I think at his peak, LeBron averaged about I think he averaged about 30 points per game. All right. So LeBron was never really known as a scorer. He was kind of more of like an all-around player. So he only won the scoring title once. He never emphasized his game on scoring. As you know, LeBron likes to share the ball. He's an all-around player, so that, you know, in his peak, he scored 30 points per game, I think.

SPEAKER_04: 7:14

Roger that. Roger 31 points per game.

SPEAKER_01: 7:16

You see, that Dana says 27 point. Uh James, so you gave him three extra points.

SPEAKER_04: 7:22

D hustle, you can't give him three extra points. 30, 30, 30, 27, 30. That's one of the same.

SPEAKER_01: 7:27

We need he they like stats. Uh-uh. LeBron is changing stats. Let's give him the real stat. I got you.

SPEAKER_04: 7:33

I got you. All right, so here goes the uh D's rebuttal. Go ahead with your rebuttal, D.

SPEAKER_01: 7:37

Uh Listen, uh, 37 points. 37 or 20?

SPEAKER_04: 7:42

27.

SPEAKER_01: 7:43

No, no, no, no. That's that's 27 over there. Uh-huh. There's 10 more points over here. Ah, okay. But if you want to get technical 37.1s per game, that's 1986 to 1987 scoring averages. Okay. Uh, that's through his whole entire career of averaging. Now, that's still undefeated.

SPEAKER_04: 8:04

Undefeated in what what's still this day.

SPEAKER_01: 8:06

His record of scoring points.

SPEAKER_04: 8:12

Any rebuttal from LeBron camp?

SPEAKER_02: 8:14

I have no rebuttal. Like, yes, like I said, uh LeBron has volumes here. Wow. LeBron has won the scoring title once, Jordan has won it ten times, Jordan was a scorer. LeBron was an all-around player.

SPEAKER_04: 8:26

So was or is. Or is.

SPEAKER_02: 8:28

That's there's no debating that.

SPEAKER_04: 8:30

So so if we take scoring out of it, obviously there's other things like rebounds, assists, and defense. Uh, what would you what would you say in terms of LeBron's performance in those spectrums? Either of them.

SPEAKER_02: 8:40

Uh I would say LeBron has Jordan beat on the all-around game. LeBron can play multiple positions.

SPEAKER_04: 8:49

All right. So what's on the table right now is that LeBron is uh uh an all-around player that can play multiple positions. Um and D, what what do you feel about that in terms of MJ's performance being a little bit more?

SPEAKER_01: 9:00

Uh Jordan is not an all-around player. He is uh basically what happens is that he is the main the holy field uh when it comes to his uh shooting. Um again, uh Jordan plays his position. He wants to play all five positions. Who's he? Uh LeBron.

SPEAKER_04: 9:21

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01: 9:22

Uh there's no need to be playing a whole bunch of positions when you're trying to figure out what you're trying to do. You know, if you're a scorer, you're gonna score. If you're gonna if you're a center, you're gonna get rebounds. If you're a power forward, you're gonna go ahead and bum rush them and knock them and whatever to do what you need to do. Old school mentality. I again the ch the game has changed a lot since uh back in the days. Yeah. You went from a guy from shooting guard to a to a point guard to a guy who wants to play shooting guard, point guard, and all the above.

SPEAKER_04: 9:53

Who who is that you're talking about?

SPEAKER_01: 9:55

LeBron.

SPEAKER_04: 9:55

Okay, I'm just making sure we're talking about the same person. So the on the table is that LeBron's broading himself too wide so that he can't uh have a checkbox in one column. How do you feel about that, Raymond?

SPEAKER_02: 10:06

This is if you look at the NBA now, you have seven footers that can shoot out the gym. Nobody wants a player that's just could do one position. Gotcha. Like you want a multiple player. You got Kevin Durant, you got Wemby. LeBron is one of those players, those generational players. Jordan couldn't do that. Jordan could only play one position. You get someone in the NBA now, they can play multiple positions. So Jordan can't play multiple positions, he's just a shooting guard.

SPEAKER_04: 10:31

So my only question about that is we did talk about their peak. When do you think LeBron peaked in terms of um so we can measure the errors? D came up with his scoring around the 80s up to the 90s. When was LeBron's peak?

SPEAKER_02: 10:45

Uh LeBron's peak? I would say I'd say when he won his third chip.

SPEAKER_04: 10:52

So his third chip?

SPEAKER_02: 10:53

Yes. All right.

SPEAKER_04: 10:54

And I'm gonna do some research on that. And the reason why I asked that is how different is the game from when he won his third chip at the peak versus where we're at in the game right now?

SPEAKER_02: 11:01

I mean, we can't deny that it was easier when Jordan played. Whoa, whoa, whoa. What is that? No, no, go ahead, go ahead and finish. The peak was easier when Jordan played.

SPEAKER_01: 11:10

Uh let me look that up there for you because it says here uh Jordan's era had tighter defense, no defense, three-second rule. Okay. What does that mean though? Uh basically the three-second rule is one your player cannot be in the middle of the where the uh where the shack.

SPEAKER_04: 11:27

This is like the shack rule, right? Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01: 11:28

Three-second rule. All right, have more physical contact.

SPEAKER_04: 11:34

Why are you emphasizing that, bro?

SPEAKER_01: 11:35

Okay, but those like that, he shot 50% from the field during those peak years. Absurd perimeter player in that era, adjust pace and efficiency. Jordan is still the elite player as we speak today.

SPEAKER_02: 11:51

Yeah. Jordan was playing with plumbers. Those guys were like, come on.

SPEAKER_04: 11:54

He was playing with who? Plumbers. What does that mean?

SPEAKER_02: 11:57

They're not athletic.

SPEAKER_04: 11:59

So hold on, hold on. During Jordan's era, he was playing plumbers, which means that they the players that they played against were not athletic.

SPEAKER_02: 12:06

Yes. He's not playing Steph Curry, he's not playing Kevin Durant. Uh-huh. He's not playing, you know, come on.

SPEAKER_01: 12:12

Those are people who just came out now. Uh, first of all, you had shooters like Larry Johnson, you have passers like Magic Johnson, you have all these other great players, Bill, uh Bill Russell, Wilt Chamberlain.

SPEAKER_02: 12:27

Those can't shoot from the paint. Like, I mean, come on. All right, all right, hold on.

SPEAKER_04: 12:31

Raymond's talking about shooting from the paint. What what what do you how do you feel about um Jordan's uh ability to shoot?

SPEAKER_01: 12:37

Jordan Jordan's ability to shoot is his game was basically to tell you right now is get the ball, get it inside, mid-range, dunk it. He was never a three-point player, a three-point uh uh guy at all. Because that it's just there's no point for him. Because at the end of the day, he's just there waiting for the fucking ball to come to him to shoot a three.

SPEAKER_02: 12:56

The game has changed. You have to shoot threes now. Exactly. Back then, he didn't have to. I mean, it was a good thing.

SPEAKER_01: 13:01

But Steph Curry said that.

SPEAKER_02: 13:04

It wasn't LeBron. Yes, and LeBron, his three-pointing has increased. He's a good three-point shooter, better than Jordan. Why why would you say that? It's statistically proven he's a better three-point shooter than Jordan. Jordan was never great at three points. Stat for stat, bro. You gotta say the stat, bro. Uh, I don't know the stat offhand, but I know he's his percentage is better than Jordan with threes. Jordan was never a great three-point shooter.

SPEAKER_01: 13:24

Again, I'm I'm the only good fat I'm gonna give him today is that he must not have been listening. Again, Jordan is not a three-point player. He is get the ball, mid-range, dunk it.

SPEAKER_04: 13:38

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 13:39

LeBron used to be take it aggressively to the hole until he got locked down. Now he's forced to do threes.

SPEAKER_02: 13:47

He elevated his game, something Jordan didn't do.

SPEAKER_04: 13:50

You know, you hold on, hold on. Let me just make sure I'm clear here. So Raymond is saying that uh LeBron had to change the way his game was to elevate his game. Yes. And you said MJ never elevated his game.

SPEAKER_02: 14:01

Yes, at least not three-point shooting or shooting. Yes.

SPEAKER_04: 14:04

But do you think that the the game itself has evolved from when Jordan first started to when he actually was done?

SPEAKER_02: 14:10

Of course.

SPEAKER_04: 14:11

So didn't he have to elevate it his game to maintain that status?

SPEAKER_02: 14:15

You don't have to. I mean, it's I mean, you could just be a bum, but he elevated his game.

SPEAKER_04: 14:19

Who did?

SPEAKER_02: 14:20

LeBron. Okay. He increased his three-point shooting.

SPEAKER_04: 14:23

All right. Let's go with uh D. What do you have to say about that?

SPEAKER_01: 14:25

At the end of the day, you went from the guys from the 80s to n to 90s to 2000s to a guy who's just coming into the league in 2003, changed trying to change this perspective. The only thing he's got that he got out out of high school directly, being 19 years old, all the way um, didn't go to college, went to the pros. Uh, and since he couldn't figure out what the fuck he wanted to do, passing the ways from shooting, from driving to the hole, he shot his threes. At the end of the day, there's nothing wrong with that. But that's not elevating the game. But you play a tougher defense. I don't think personally right now, I don't think LeBron will survive in the 90s.

SPEAKER_04: 15:10

Now that's a good question. How do you feel about that?

SPEAKER_02: 15:12

Uh LeBron is a machine. Look at this guy. He's a physical specimen. How can you say he would not survive in the 80s? He's 6'9, trizzled, can play multiple positions. I mean, he's a man child. To say that is come on, Darwin, come on. I think he would be able to survive in the 80s. But not survive.

SPEAKER_04: 15:34

I'm talking about he has to his physical ability. Okay, let's just rephrase survival to holding a GOAT status. Okay. Because that's where uh J MJ is at the during that era. Do you think LeBron would be GOAT status during that era of balling?

SPEAKER_02: 15:48

Uh I think so, yes. You think so? Yes. Yeah. He's a sphical fessing then. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 15:53

And I'm going to turn this question to D also. Let's say that MJ started a little bit later in his season and he's actually playing right now during the LeBron era. Do you think MJ would have GOAT status?

SPEAKER_00: 16:04

Uh uh beyond the GOAT status. At the longevity of LeBron.

SPEAKER_04: 16:08

I'm just saying D Hustle's response is unconditional. Like, yes, he's gonna be beyond GOAT status. LeBron's response was uh he's gonna be a big guy. I'm gonna tell you why. I'm gonna give you I'm gonna give you a. I'm just trying to make sure we're clear.

SPEAKER_01: 16:21

I'm gonna give you an answer to that. Like I said, back in the day, she's not uh again, the guy has not looked up. Uh from where you're talking, Remy, you don't seem like you know a lot about basketball. You're saying that How do you say that, bro? Because he's saying that the defense from the the 90s is not the same as now. So, what you're telling to me right now, because back in the days, Jordan was getting hacked, getting slammed, getting all that. And can you get away with that now? So that means that gives you guys more opportunity.

SPEAKER_04: 16:51

But let him answer, though.

SPEAKER_02: 16:52

Can can you get away with that now? I mean, you can't, but then again, I don't want to change sports. It's the same thing with NF.

SPEAKER_04: 16:59

No, no, no, no, no. We're staying on football. I'm at basketball, right? Yes. He's he's he's saying that based on the way that they played back in the days, obviously we we agree that it was harder in terms of uh the different type of fouls that they would call. Yes. And he's asking, hey, do you think LeBron would have been able to sustain that?

SPEAKER_02: 17:16

I think so.

SPEAKER_04: 17:17

You think so? Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 17:18

All right, you didn't sound very confident there, but do we think the players from the 80s could sustain now with the shooting and three points and stuff? It's now it's a more offensive game.

SPEAKER_04: 17:28

I don't think they could sustain now. So D, this is the question here. Um with Michael Jordan being in the seas in the league now, um, how would his game have to change?

SPEAKER_01: 17:40

I think basically his game would not change at all. Uh to tell you the truth. Uh, because again, he is more of a a perimeter slash dunker. He wants to get it, he wants to go, he wants to do the fadeaway, he wants to do that, he's not a three-point player. Uh again, he has done it, but is that that's not his game. His game is mostly mid-range, get it, fade away, psych it, and then go in and slam dunk. Plain and simple. That's just his game. And let me ask you this because it takes away from his game. He said he doesn't want to wait for a person to wait on the three-point line for him to wait to shoot the ball instead of running around and getting the ball.

SPEAKER_04: 18:21

Gotcha. Now, Raymond, how do you feel like Jordan would have to have changed his game to maintain a GOAT status?

SPEAKER_02: 18:27

He'd have to be a better shooter. I think he would be a dinosaur if he tried that today.

SPEAKER_04: 18:31

He would be a dinosaur if he tried that today. Yes. Okay, driving the ball to the hole as you're talking about?

SPEAKER_02: 18:35

He would not last. Like he would look how long LeBron's playing. You have to elevate your game. Jordan would not last.

SPEAKER_01: 18:42

Because he's got locked down going into the hole, so he couldn't figure out what else to do but shoot the three. Not yes, it makes a lot of sense. But if you look up here, since you ain't got no information on this, I'm more than happy to. Yes, the defense just definitely considered harder in the 90s than now. 90s defense were tougher. I don't know if you see that there. You might have to, you know, get in there. Uh, but again, uh, these LeBron friends, you can tell them a lot of stuff because they get very sentimental. But uh, I'll just gonna answer questions here because I got facts. I got a lot of facts.

SPEAKER_04: 19:18

So I guess what you're referring to is the hand check rules, uh, more physical defense, less spacing, right? Less space. Um, based on what um the era of the league is right now. Um now my question to Raymond, um, and this is just kind of just how do we rebuttal this is how do you see LeBron, what would he have to change in his game to be able to survive during the Jordan era?

SPEAKER_02: 19:39

Uh I I don't think he'd have to change anything.

SPEAKER_04: 19:44

So you don't think he'll have to change anything?

SPEAKER_02: 19:46

No, I mean obviously back then, like Darwin said, the defense was tougher, there's more hand-checking. I mean, what does he have to change? I mean, I guess going to the home more. I mean, yeah, I don't I don't think he'd have to change anything.

SPEAKER_01: 20:00

I I don't think LeBron will survive in the 90s as far as basketball due to the following. I think his average will be uh lower than the than 27 that we just looked at over here. Um I think Jordan's game will be from his 37. I think he will score maybe 40 to 45 points uh on average, the way it is uh you know, from the toughness from the 90s to now. Uh I think his game would definitely uh you'll see smoother shots and and uh technical uh tough toughness and technicality, even if I'm pronouncing technicality, technicality.

SPEAKER_04: 20:38

Gotcha, gotcha.

SPEAKER_01: 20:39

Uh from uh my my perspective.

SPEAKER_04: 20:42

So uh on the table right now, what we're throwing up there is like, all right, we keep talking about everybody being in a different era, but how what kind of player would have to, or what individual player would have to survive in the other person's error? Raymond's argument is that LeBron wouldn't have to change much. Uh he would still be making 27 plus points a game, um, and he would still maintain his GOAT status. Uh D. Hustle says, hey, if um Jordan went to our error, uh, that he would actually murder this error scoring even more points because of the different type of rules that allow him to do even more, but his style of playing would stay the same, driving the ball to the hole and um not shooting. Do you do you do y'all both agree in terms of those um final thoughts on that portion of our conversation? Yes. Yes?

SPEAKER_02: 21:26

I don't think that would be sustainable for Jordan, though.

SPEAKER_04: 21:29

You don't think that would be sustainable for Jordan? Okay. All right. So where we're at right now for round number one is that we have on the table right now two different opinions based on Jordan, based on LeBron. So you as the audience member, hearing them go through round one number one, give us your feedback inside the comments. What do you think was really hitting? What do you think was missed from each of the players, I mean each of the individual um um participants today? Because there obviously is gonna be even more stats that we can't really cover all through our conversation, but definitely want to give you all a chance to jump in. So see if y'all can answer some of the questions we threw out there because we are gonna move on to round number two. Um, is what we're gonna talk about is longevity in this game, right? One thing that I think um I've always appreciated from both players um is uh their longevity and being able to maintain a coat's GOAT status. Um Raymond went first, so we'll definitely give D Hustle the chance for round number two to go first. But um, based on your player being Michael Jordan, how do you feel his longevity um and the league gave him the GOAT status that he has right now?

SPEAKER_01: 22:35

Well, that's easy. Uh MVP uh scoring champion, defensive player of the year in the same season. Uh the longevity numbers is uh, you know, it's gonna basically help him uh help him out as far as LeBron. Uh, but my man is more uh dominance. Uh he retired twice, came back, won three chips back, one, two. Oh, let me help you out in case you need to know the years 92, 93, 94, uh, 96, 97, 98. The only person that won that back to back uh in history, besides the second goat, uh Kobe.

SPEAKER_00: 23:14

Wow. Um that was that was that was sharp right there.

SPEAKER_04: 23:16

I think it's a good one.

SPEAKER_01: 23:17

Because he's the one who did it back to back to back. Unfortunately, he couldn't do it since he tore his uh ACL, but I don't know if you remember that the day he decided to uh you know shoot a free throw, two shots, we're for torn Achilles. And we're talking about Kobe. Kobe here. Black mama, yeah, not the guy who's laid down on the floor with an eye peeky eye. Go ahead and just try and look out. Um as you can see, you know, some players have played longer, some of them have not. Uh again, Jordan only played, what, 18 years? Um there's not that's not a lot. I mean, you can't help the guy the guy doesn't help. He plays sick, uh, he played in the flu. He doesn't have he doesn't make up excuses of what type of injury uh they have. Uh I don't know if you know, um 11 years out of 14, he played 82 games straight. And you're talking about Jordan. Years out of the 14 played 82 games. Active LeBron has done that.

SPEAKER_04: 24:23

Well, we'll get there. We'll get there. We'll get there. Um great stats. In less years. Uh, and and also longevity for me doesn't just mean the time that you play, it's also the time that you leave your mark on the league. Um, I definitely feel like Jordan has left the mark on the league. Um, but that's just my opinion.

SPEAKER_01: 24:40

Yeah, because Jordan is not about stats, bro. Jordan is basically about quality.

SPEAKER_04: 24:46

But we have to hear a rebuttal, but not specifically rebuttal, but standing on your guys. So we're gonna throw it back at Raymond is uh for longevity. Um, how do you feel um in terms of LeBron's performance um for his length of time um more or less impact his status of a quo uh uh as the goat?

SPEAKER_02: 25:03

Uh I think that's easy. Just to correct our endorse play for 15 years.

SPEAKER_01: 25:09

Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 25:09

Uh 15 years, I'm sorry. LeBron's playing now, going on 22 years.

SPEAKER_04: 25:15

Did you set that up just so that you could do that?

SPEAKER_02: 25:17

I did not, I'm just I'm just asking. I'm just saying played for 15, LeBron's going on 22 years. Yes, I apologize. 15 years. That's okay. So, yeah. I mean, that's not even a competition, and LeBron is still playing at a high level. He's still a starter. Like, I mean, he's not coming off the bench, he's playing on 22 years. Wait until he comes back. Okay, I'll just say Jordan went for 15 years. He was a shell of himself when he went to Charlotte. Like, it was embarrassing. I wish Jordan retired before going to Charlotte because none of us wanted to see that. Charlotte? Yeah, when he played for the Bobcats. Was it the Bobcats or the Compats? I don't know. I thought they were Charlotte. Uh he played for the Wizards. The Wizards, I'm sorry. The Wizards. Jesus Christ. So it was he was a shell of himself when he went there. It was embarrassing. Like, come on. Jordan should have retired way before then. Yeah. So longevity, that's not even a competition or a question. LeBron's still playing at a hard mark 22 years. Um, yeah, that's I mean, that's all I have. That's right. That's right.

SPEAKER_04: 26:18

And before D. Hustle makes a rebuttal to it. I will say it is definitely noteworthy that my guy's still doing it 22 years and still balling. Um, it is obviously uh takes a lot of toll on everybody's uh body to be able to maintain and keep it up. Um knock on wood. I'm hoping that whatever injuries he has right now doesn't you know end his career, but uh definitely something noteworthy. Now, before we go to the hustle, one thing that I always like to bring up um in terms of GOAT status is longevity, meaning your length of time in the game, doesn't give you a goat status. What is it in terms of longevity gives LeBron the GOAT status?

SPEAKER_02: 26:58

For you. Okay, he's still playing at a high level. He's not coming off the bench. If he was a bench warmer not producing, I would say yes, get him out of here, but he's still playing at a high level. That gives him the GOAT status. Like, I mean, come on, what are we arguing here? This is not like he's still playing at he's a starter. Yeah, he's still producing.

SPEAKER_04: 27:18

So So his his uh GOAT status is solidified in terms of longevity because he's still in the game active uh player.

SPEAKER_02: 27:27

The moment he comes off the bench is when he's gonna retire. That's not gonna happen.

SPEAKER_04: 27:30

Gotcha. Now, D Hustle, your question, same thing. Based on um MJ's longevity, uh, what would you say uh for the longevity was his mark becoming a GOAT status?

SPEAKER_01: 27:42

Uh for longevity being a GOAT status. I mean, besides having a 6-0 championship, uh never played a game six, a game seven in his life. Um less years, something that LeBron is still trying to chase, uh, but did it in in a shorter period of time. Um and he doesn't have to say he's the goal. Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 28:13

Alright, it's more impressive. Going to more or less? Going to more what? Going to more chips or going to only the amount of chips that you went to.

SPEAKER_04: 28:25

Oh, and I'm gonna as a moderator, from my perspective, it's who walks away with the chip, not how many times you go to the chip. Just my as a moderator, I'm just saying straight up.

SPEAKER_01: 28:36

Uh I'm glad you said let me know when it's my turn, because I it seems like uh so I have pulled up here Jordan versus LeBron awards. All right. Most valuable player, Jordan has five, LeBron has four. Finals MVP, Jordan has six, LeBron has four. Scoring titles, ten LeBron won. NBA first team, ten, Jordan, thirteen for your man LeBron because of longevity. Alright. Defense first team, nine for Jordan. LeBron six. All-star games, fourteen LeBron 17. So as you can see, the 17 has been going up more due to longevity. So if you guys want to go about stats and and uh that's what I don't know what more do you need. Now, if you really want to go more into it in depth, this is where basically all time ranking. Let's get it out the way. All right, because I I feel like I'm prologuing here with my man Raymond, and it's I I got something coming up. All right. All time, total points. It's the only thing that I'm gonna give LeBron right now because he's number one as far as longevity. Total points per game. Jordan, first, LeBron. LeBron fifth. Alright. Playoffs per game. Jordan first. LeBron six. Scoring title. Jordan first. LeBron six. Are we getting closer to number one here? Let me know when you're ready. Okay? Now we have finals MVP. Jordan one. LeBron two. Ooh. I have to give you cudder points on that one. All defense player, number one, Jordan. LeBron fifth. Player efficiency rate. Jordan one. LeBron three. Playoffs. Points per game. Jordan first. LeBron three. Wins. Shares. 48 minutes. Jordan first. LeBron eight. Playoffs wins. 48 minutes. Jordan first. LeBron three. Playoffs. Per minute. First. Jordan third. Offensive team. Jordan first. LeBron second. Playoffs. Offensive. Jordan first. LeBron second. Game score. Jordan first. LeBron 14. I mean, what more do you need, Raymond? Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 31:21

I mean, can we just say that, you know, LeBron is more of a player that spreads the ball, and Jordan was more of a. We can give you that. Jordan is more of a like scorer. He's an assassin. He's not sharing the ball. He's not making his teammates better. That's the difference. Jordan is just he's a ro eight. I mean, we can't agree. Like, it's two different LeBron shares the ball. He has more assists. Like, yeah. Can we agree? Jordan's mentality is just I'm the guy. But if you don't miss a shot, why will you pass the ball? I'm just saying, of course, he's more of course who? He's going to dominate with those stats because he's more of a I don't know what the word is. Like he's more spearheaded. He's not like he's gonna share the ball, if that makes sense.

SPEAKER_04: 32:10

So uh in terms of goat status, not team player, yes, not goat status, uh how does being a team player solidify you as a goat?

SPEAKER_02: 32:20

It's a team sport.

SPEAKER_04: 32:24

So as an individual person at being a goat, if my team does well, I get the GOAT status?

SPEAKER_02: 32:31

Obviously, you know, you need a alpha on the team. That's Jordan was more, I'll give you that. There's no dominating that, there's no debating that. Jordan was more alpha than anybody, so that's why he's gonna dominate Endel stats. He's not more of a uh spread the ball type of player, so he's just more bullheaded, he's more alpha. I mean, LeBron is not. I'm not going to argue that at all. So let's just get that out the way.

SPEAKER_04: 32:54

But in terms of LeBron GOAT status, you still uh have him over MJ in terms of GOAT status.

SPEAKER_02: 33:02

Have an overall player, yes.

SPEAKER_04: 33:04

I mean, that's the debate here, bro. Yes, yeah. So, but as an overall player, not an overall team player. So if you were to say he's an overall team player, goat status, I was like, okay. But you're saying as an individual player, GOAT status, and what D just threw at you, uh, your rebuttal was, oh, it's because he threw the past the ball more.

SPEAKER_02: 33:26

I'm saying I'm picking LeBron overall. If I'm starting a team right now, I'm picking LeBron. Got it. Got it.

SPEAKER_01: 33:34

All right, I'll give you more stats. I mean, that's all I have to do is give my guy more more stats here. All right. At the age of 22, Jordan versus LeBron. Guess what? Let's let's do the average. LeBron, first, Jordan second, okay? Let's do this first. 22 point game, uh, points per game, 22, right? Jordan, 43.7 points per game. Okay? LeBron, seven uh rebounds per game. Jordan, six point three rebounds per game. So, hey, shout out to LeBron for rebounds. Because maybe maybe because he's taller. Let's give him that. Assist per game, six point eight. All right, LeBron, Jordan, 35.7. Okay. Steals per game, one for LeBron, 2.3 for Jordan. You know? Uh percentage, 35.6, 50.5 at the age of 22. Now, I'm at age 31 now, because I'm doing research here for you. You need a bar on my computer, bro? At the age 31.

SPEAKER_04: 34:42

Just asking.

SPEAKER_01: 34:43

We even let's let's even throw uh we can even throw fucking Kobe in there if you want. It doesn't really matter to me. But Mamba said he ain't not invited me.

SPEAKER_04: 34:53

RIP for sure.

SPEAKER_01: 34:54

Uh 27.3 LeBron point games. All right. Jordan, 32.3. H31. Okay. We got a age 31, right? 2,5, 24, 25,657 points. Jordan, 21,541 points LeBron takes to win on that one. Rebound, 6,716. All right. LeBron, I mean, I'm sorry. Uh that was LeBron. Uh Jordan, 4,218 rebounds on that. LeBron wins on that one. I'm giving you kudos. You hear? Giving you kudos. I mean, Raymond needs to stand on it, bro. 6,476, 6,475 assists. Jordan, 3,935 assists. Again, kudos for you. Steals, 1,595 for LeBron. Eight, 1,815 steals. I guess the the GOAT takes the one on that one, huh? Blocks, 744 blocks. Jordan, 684 blocks. And that is 940 games LeBron played to Jordan 667 games played. And the difference in between that year is 31, LeBron only had two chips at that range. And guess what Jordan had? Three chips. Alright? So if you want to go from 19 years old to 31, the winner on that would be Kobe Bryant with four chips.

SPEAKER_04: 36:31

Give Kobe, let's let's give Kobe a big round of applause. Black Mama definitely was holding it down.

SPEAKER_01: 36:37

H33, you want to go continue? Let's do it. 11 seasons, in case you guys don't know what H33 it was. 11 seasons for Jordan, 15 seasons. 734 seasons for who?

SPEAKER_04: 36:47

LeBron?

SPEAKER_01: 36:48

For LeBron. 734 games, 1,096 games for LeBron. MVPs, Jordan, three. LeBron, four. NBA finals, points per average, three. LeBron, eight. NBA titles, three. Tie it up, three. NBA's MVP, three, three. Seven uh first time all-star. First will be seven LeBron. I'm sorry, seven Jordan, eleven, how you call it. Um LeBron. LeBron. Alright.

SPEAKER_04: 37:22

And this is the 33-year-old. 33-year-old 11 already under the book and 15 under the book for LeBron.

SPEAKER_01: 37:28

Alright. What's this? 15 years. You want me to get into this real quick? Because I can get into it. Points per game, 30. Jordan, 27. As that's normal, because he, you know, 27. Yeah. 14 all-stars. 14 all-stars. Okay. Six NBA championships to LeBron's three. Nine all-time defensive player to LeBron's six. Three times MVP star. Guess they match up three and three. MVP, five for Jordan. MVP four for LeBron. 11 time champ. 11 time NBA All-Star. 13 for LeBron. And uh Rookie of the Year. 1984 to 1985, 2023 to 2024. I call Capenda because the main reason I've called Capenda is because Carmelo Anthony did should have been rookie of the year that year because he took a bum ass Nuggets team for that was nobody into a playoffs. LeBron came that same season into the play into the uh league and didn't give the Cavs to the freaking playoffs. But guess what? He's supposed to be the chosen one. So guess what? For the stats, they gave it to LeBron. At the end of the day, should have been Melo. He got robbed for that. But look, and let me continue to my normal program here.

SPEAKER_04: 38:45

Now that explains a lot to me. Why he feels this way.

SPEAKER_01: 38:49

All right. Total points. 32,292 points for LeBron 31,038. There it goes for the F season 15. Alright. So, do you want me to go now to the age of 38 years old? This one you might like because LeBron is winning in this one.

SPEAKER_04: 39:10

Well, let's close out with that. Go ahead. What is the comparison? 38 years old.

SPEAKER_01: 39:14

We still got more to go. Go ahead. At the end of the day, uh one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, uh, eight, nine, ten. Uh Jordan with uh out of ten, he's got Jordan uh lost seven battles out of ten uh for LeBron.

SPEAKER_04: 39:35

Yeah, and that that's that's where it's definitely coming.

SPEAKER_01: 39:37

And that's when he's playing with the Wizards.

SPEAKER_04: 39:38

That's when he's coming with the Wizards at the end of the season. End of his career.

SPEAKER_01: 39:41

And that's the end almost at the end of his career at age 38.

SPEAKER_04: 39:44

All right, so uh we got uh some real good stats there. Before we go to round number three, I wanted to see if Raymond had a rebuttal um on the stats that were presented.

SPEAKER_02: 39:52

No, I mean Jordan pretty much uh dominates on all of those categories that uh D Hustle mentioned there. So uh yeah, I don't really have much rebuttal on that. Yeah. So all right.

SPEAKER_04: 40:02

We are at the end of round number two. Some stats were presented. D Hustle, thank you so much for uh the research.

SPEAKER_02: 40:08

Anytime.

SPEAKER_04: 40:08

Um Raymond, uh, thank you for agreeing with the research. Um, but the audience will definitely let us know um who won that round um based on the information provided. And definitely remember what we're really looking for is goat status, not just hey, um, I got these chips, but what does it mean by being a GOAT for the team? All right, so the last question that we have lined up. Now, this is gonna be a little curveball for the two of you because you both have been sitting on both ends of the table. And we're gonna start off with Raymond this time because De Hustle went this last round, but um, we're gonna switch the table. So let's say that you are arguing that Michael Jordan is the GOAT. What would you say was the thing that impressed you the most by his performance throughout his whole career that gives him the reason for being the GOAT? And then D Hustle, you're gonna have the same question for LeBron. We're gonna switch teams now. So from you, Raymond, don't call him Ray Ray. Based on all that you have observed, because you come from the air where we've seen it all, MJ, LeBron, and also Kobe play, is what do you feel gave him the GOAT status based on your opinion?

SPEAKER_02: 41:15

Uh I mean there's a lot of moments, but if I had to go back, I would say the Juggernoff Steph Curry team, whatever that record they had, 71-9, or you know, they were unstoppable, they were unbeatable. Everybody marked them off, they're gonna win the chip. And the Cavs were down 3-1. Uh, it was a done deal. And, you know, LeBron came back and brought his team back from 3-1 and they won that against that Superman team that everybody penciled.

SPEAKER_01: 41:45

And say Superman team because Draymond Green got suspended. I mean, um that's a that's a valuable key right there.

SPEAKER_02: 41:51

That's my round here. Can I just I mean you can rebuttal, but that team was 71 and 9, like they were supposed to be unstoppable. And the Cavs were down 3-1, and LeBron came back and won. That's a like goat moment.

SPEAKER_01: 42:04

Wasn't LeBron, the one who saved your ass was fucking Kyrie Irving. Let's be realistic here.

SPEAKER_04: 42:09

Okay, that's that's all I have to say. So, but that was the moment where you were like, oh man, he's definitely the GOAT.

SPEAKER_02: 42:14

Yeah, that team was unstoppable. Like, you know, I mean, it's come on. They were down 3-1, it was pencil, there was a wrap.

SPEAKER_01: 42:20

So it's funny that he says that because the same thing that the interview with LeBron, he goes, That's what made me the goat right there. And that's what all his fans are saying, that's why he's just the goat.

SPEAKER_04: 42:32

So being able to beat the Warriors coming back after being uh uh down in the series and coming back and win.

SPEAKER_02: 42:38

Yes, it's like statistically almost impossible for a team to come back 3-1.

SPEAKER_01: 42:42

Gotcha, gotcha. All right. Uh any rebuttal to that? Yeah, Jeremia Green wasn't playing, got suspended. Kyrie Irvin uh saved his ass the same way uh Ray Allen saved LeBron's ass in game uh six when the heat he was playing for the Heat. I mean, at the end of the day, I it just just I don't Jordan don't need nobody to go gut to help to help him to win a team.

SPEAKER_02: 43:07

Uh Scottie Pippen didn't help Dennis Rodman, Steve Kerr. Let him reboot him. I'm just saying, he's saying that Draymond wasn't in there and Kyrie helped. I'm just saying, let's not forget. This guy had Scottie Pippen, he had Dennis Rodman, he had Steve Kerr. Like, I mean, I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_01: 43:23

Yes, you're correct. Shout out to those players right there.

SPEAKER_02: 43:27

But we drafted them. Okay, let's not pretend that Jordan didn't have great players. When you say Kyrie and Draymond, let's forgets.

SPEAKER_01: 43:35

He did. But when we lost, we don't have to go look for another player.

SPEAKER_02: 43:39

What do you mean LeBron didn't go look for another player?

SPEAKER_04: 43:43

So after the after so he threw something out there saying after that loss, they did not go get a new player.

SPEAKER_02: 43:50

What are you saying? I mean, is LeBron the owner of the team?

SPEAKER_01: 43:54

No, but he manipulates uh the the coaches and the GMs. And Jordan didn't do that? I mean, Jordan, I mean, come on. How many coaches were the LeBron fired? I'm sorry, what was that?

SPEAKER_02: 44:09

I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_01: 44:10

How many coaches did LeBron fired?

SPEAKER_02: 44:13

LeBron doesn't own the team, guys. Come on.

SPEAKER_01: 44:15

But at the end of the day, the coaches want him, so what they're gonna do is they're gonna build around them. So if they say if LeBron says, I'm not feeling good about this coach, what do you think is gonna happen?

SPEAKER_02: 44:26

So you're saying Jordan never made complaints about players he wanted or anything.

SPEAKER_01: 44:29

Uh but you're not asked, I answered that question once you answer my question. I asked you how many coaches did LeBron fire? How many players got traded after LeBron didn't want them anymore?

SPEAKER_02: 44:42

I think that's just all speculation and that's just a coincidence.

SPEAKER_04: 44:46

You think it's a coincidence?

SPEAKER_02: 44:48

Yes. Okay.

SPEAKER_04: 44:49

But but in terms of him leading the team, you don't think he has a voice in it? Well, I mean, Jordan has a voice too. Like, come on, you don't think Yeah, but I'm but I'm saying, like, if Jordan had a voice, you don't think LeBron had a voice? He's the GOAT.

SPEAKER_01: 45:01

Right. The only reason Eric Sporting did not get fired was because Eric Sporting did not fucking have faith in LeBron and Pat Riley stand behind him. And since the baby did not get what he wants, guess what he did? I know. He decided to leave because the shit that he decided to say he was gonna take his talents. We're not gonna win one, not two, not three, not four, not five. That shit didn't last very long.

SPEAKER_02: 45:25

How many chips have they won since LeBron's been gone? Answer that question.

SPEAKER_01: 45:29

Uh none. And we're talking about the heat. Yes.

SPEAKER_02: 45:32

Exactly. Done deal. We're done. But did they did they go to the playoffs? They've been irrelevant since LeBron left.

SPEAKER_01: 45:38

Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 45:39

They have not won a chip since he left.

SPEAKER_04: 45:41

But that that move right there solidify his weight he carries on a team to be a ghost on a team.

SPEAKER_02: 45:47

Yes. They've not won a they've not sniffed a chip since LeBron left. LeBron has gone to another organization and won a chip.

SPEAKER_01: 45:54

So what team is that besides the Lakers?

SPEAKER_02: 45:56

The Lakers. He left the Heat and won a chip. What are we talking about?

SPEAKER_01: 46:00

Oh my God.

SPEAKER_02: 46:02

Okay. The Heat have not sniffed a chip since LeBron has left.

SPEAKER_01: 46:07

That's correct.

SPEAKER_02: 46:10

And I'm not going to disagree. They chose Spolstra. I mean, I'm not saying it's a bad move.

SPEAKER_04: 46:15

But I guess what we are debating about is how much influence does a player have, especially if they're a GOAT on a team.

SPEAKER_02: 46:20

They have a lot. Jordan has we can't deny Jordan has influence as well.

SPEAKER_04: 46:24

Alright. So with that influence, do you feel like LeBron had influence enough to get coaches and players shifted around?

SPEAKER_02: 46:32

Uh same as any player does.

SPEAKER_04: 46:35

So you feel LeBron has the same amount of power as any player does on his team?

SPEAKER_02: 46:39

Any star player does.

SPEAKER_04: 46:41

So any star player, LeBron has the same, or any star player can get a coach or other players uh shifted in the organization?

SPEAKER_02: 46:49

Yes.

SPEAKER_04: 46:50

Okay. Alright. You stand on that, uh Dean? What was it? What was it? Uh so he we you were debating about uh the impact of LeBron playing on a team and either shifting coaches or players around or requesting other players. Uh Raymond sounds like you agree that he does, but it's something that all star players can do on their team.

SPEAKER_02: 47:09

Yes. Jordan, Steph Curry, LeBron, everybody.

SPEAKER_04: 47:13

Any rebuttal to that?

SPEAKER_01: 47:16

Uh I'm not even paying attention to I I've never heard so much. Okay.

SPEAKER_02: 47:24

So you're saying no star player has influence?

SPEAKER_01: 47:27

Uh yeah, some star play has influence, but how many star players have how many? Let's be realistic. How many coaches slash general managers have agreed? Because Giannis wanted a trade and he did not get a trade.

SPEAKER_02: 47:40

What do we Giannis's garbage brother plays on the freaking team and they just took his other brother? What do you think that? You think it's because they're good? No, it's because it's Giannis. Both of his brothers are on like a freaking they're in the NBA.

SPEAKER_01: 47:54

What are you talking about? Why are you talking about the brothers? Okay, I'm just a phenomenal fucking Star Player.

SPEAKER_02: 47:59

They talk about players being able to play. Star player can do anything. What are we talking about?

SPEAKER_01: 48:05

Um, Star players can do anything. Because Damien Lincoln could have won the couple.

SPEAKER_02: 48:09

You're the player, you're you're you're you're a Knicks fan, right? Yes. You're point guard. His uncle is on the freaking coaching team.

SPEAKER_01: 48:16

Who's his uncle?

SPEAKER_02: 48:17

His uncle is on the coaching team. Why?

SPEAKER_01: 48:19

His uncle.

SPEAKER_02: 48:20

His uncle.

SPEAKER_01: 48:20

What player is this?

SPEAKER_02: 48:21

You're your point guard. What's your point guard's name?

SPEAKER_01: 48:24

Uh Jalen?

SPEAKER_02: 48:26

Yes. Look it up. His uncle is on the coach. Oh. Oh, even better. Why is his dad on the team then?

SPEAKER_01: 48:33

Oh, he's been in the organization for a long period of time.

SPEAKER_02: 48:36

You don't think he deserved it? There you go. There's nothing else to talk about.

SPEAKER_01: 48:40

There's nothing else to talk about. I don't understand. But he was there before he was uh Jalen was in the Mavericks and he was in the Knicks.

SPEAKER_04: 48:46

Okay. Oh, so his dad was at the organization before he was a long time ago.

SPEAKER_02: 48:50

His godfather is also on the team, too.

SPEAKER_04: 48:52

Alright. But I I guess the the rebuttal that you have, Raymond, is that it's not our players are able to play.

SPEAKER_02: 48:58

Singling out LeBron as in, you know, he's the only one that does this. They all do it. If you does it, we're not supposed to say anything. No, but you guys are acting like he's the only one that does this. You call him Le GM and nobody else gets this moniker but LeBron. Like, this guy, his favorite team has his godfather on there and his dad's on the coaching staff. So, like, it's like, come on. Yes, LeBron's. I mean, yeah, I mean, I'm not gonna lie, his son's on the team too. When you are a star player, he was like, what happens?

SPEAKER_04: 49:26

I mean, I mean, this is hard. Uh, the the the rebuttal is kind of hard when when LeBron has that situation.

SPEAKER_02: 49:33

Uh they all do it. Stop saying LeBron. They all do it.

SPEAKER_04: 49:38

Okay, they all do it, but there's one that's very noteworthy than all of them. Oh right or wrong.

SPEAKER_01: 49:42

So this is the same guy that we're saying that um I'm not if you don't draft my son, I'm not gonna play the same guy. Okay, that's we're still the same guy. We're still gonna play the fender, right?

SPEAKER_02: 49:52

That is that was crap. I'm not even gonna lie.

SPEAKER_01: 49:54

And that's and that's not making the point of you that they're not listening to LeBron.

SPEAKER_02: 49:59

Okay, they didn't have to draft his son.

SPEAKER_04: 50:02

Yeah, they did.

SPEAKER_02: 50:03

No, they didn't. Yes, they didn't. They didn't put a gun to their head and say he could have just literally put a gun to their head.

SPEAKER_04: 50:09

I mean, if if I I I don't I I I I and I'm trying to stay by uh unbiased here.

SPEAKER_02: 50:14

Is like um It'd be like me coming to you saying, I'm not gonna do this unless you hire my son to like do the camera work or something like that.

SPEAKER_04: 50:22

That's what it feels like from the outside. That's crazy. That's what it feels like from the outside. And uh he's not a cameraman, he he he does something else, but we still made him come in the game. All right, so we have that on the table. Can you think of any time that Michael Jordan um used his privilege as captain of the team uh to engage with politics the way that LeBron has?

SPEAKER_01: 50:44

Um no, I don't think I have think of anything like that. I know from what I've been uh visualizing in my past years, I know Jordan is a very hard worker. I know that some people shouldn't have been getting uh special treatment uh because they don't put the work. Um when you guys watch, I don't know if you guys watched The Last Dance, uh Dennis Raman has some issues and he didn't, you know, had uh full effect with that situation going on there. But Dennis Roman still went out and did his thing and came back and still won a chip. But again, that's letting you know that Jordan didn't agree with the situation and Phil Jackson just let them did he get fined? He did. But at the end of the day, you know, what special treatment is uh is Jordan getting? Or was getting at that time. Was getting.

SPEAKER_04: 51:31

Yeah. Yeah, I think that that debate. Um, unfortunately, now that the league the way that it is, um, I would assume that um MJ would have had even more influence compared to uh how um LeBron does. Um I think he could have used it as a bargaining chip. I personally don't think that I would see MJ uh wave his son in front of the Chicago Bulls and say, hey, if y'all don't draft him, I'm gonna be out. I I doubt that. Um I also think that LeBron definitely standed in his ability to make influences on players and coaching and stuff like that. Um I guess that's the different leagues that they're in. Um in terms of where I see a GOAT status is um, in my opinion, I think it's an overuse of power. Um so I do think LeBron loses some points for that. Um and MJ has always stood on it, and even when you watched that documentary, there were some people that you thought he was buddies with, but they were just there for business and his work ethics were different. So I don't know if I could uh rate them the same or rate one uh rate ML LeBron above MJ in that situation. Alright, so you made your argument um definitely in terms of you what you saw in terms of when he did this, this gave him the GOAT status. That was that uh game uh with uh finals with Warriors, and they came back and won that. Um and I ain't gonna affront. That was a I was in San Francisco at the time. That was definitely heartbreaking for those that were out there shooting for the Warriors. I'm I'm a stay-at-home local guy, so I'm always rooting for the heat. But uh when I saw what happened over there, they definitely were shocked. All right. Um, so I give you some points for that for sure. Um, I don't know if LeBron was the changing factor for all of it, um, but I definitely do feel like his leadership uh was definitely noticeable um during that time. There were some other attributes like the Warriors team that got uh shuffled up a little bit. Um but yeah, that's definitely noteworthy. He he he gets he gets some points for it. I personally don't think that it was LeBron scoring 44 45 points in the finals and winning it in the last shot. That would give me a GOAT status, but that's just my professional, that's my opinion. All right, D, this is your last question up. Um, is what moment in Jordan's career um for you gave Jordan the GOAT status to you? Um, and then Raymond will have a rebuttal if there is one.

SPEAKER_01: 53:47

Um for me, I think it was the last shot. I got the guy was basically uh sick, couldn't even stand, dehydrated, the guy didn't even freaking um you know couldn't even breathe, playing playing sick with the flu. Still still go there, give tried to give 110%. I don't even think he gave 110%. I think he gave mostly like 80% on being generous, uh, but still make the last shot, still win the chip in game six, and you know that's that's all history, man.

SPEAKER_04: 54:25

Yeah, yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 54:25

It's all history.

SPEAKER_04: 54:26

So that that uh that last shot uh for sure, and and as a player, I'm not a player, but uh uh um a commenter as a person that's watching the game. I didn't know he was going through that. Um and um it's definitely a noteworthy moment. Um, Raymond, you have uh an opportunity for rebuttal. So he says the last shot being uh uh the end of the game, making a shot, closing the game out, um solidify his status as GOAT. What do you have to rebuttal?

SPEAKER_02: 54:51

Uh yeah, I mean that's like the most iconic shot, and that's like the most one of the most iconic moments when you think of Jordan. Um there is no rebuttal for that. The only rebuttal kind of jokey jokey question I have with that last shot is it's always it always comes up like you know, did Jordan push off with that last shot? So that always comes up, and this is just all jokes here.

SPEAKER_01: 55:13

So I mean it was a physical, it is a physical game from what you guys have now.

SPEAKER_02: 55:18

If that was today. If that was today, if it was today, would they have called a foul?

SPEAKER_04: 55:24

I think they would have called I think they would have called an offensive foul on that one. Yeah. Yeah, I think so too.

SPEAKER_01: 55:27

Totally two different errors.

SPEAKER_04: 55:29

Yeah, but but but it's not only that push-off, he still had to make the shot though. I agree. And the moment that it was in. Yes, I feel like as a ref, um, I'm letting the thing play out because I can see a memorable moment developing. Um, out of the two moments that you mentioned, um, and this is just your professional opinion, which of those two moments would you say solidified uh their individual um goat status?

SPEAKER_02: 55:52

Yes, the shot. I mean, you know, you just have to remember, uh, yeah, it's there's no comparison. It's the shot. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 55:59

And how about you? How did you feel about uh uh LeBron coming back in that game um with the Warriors uh solidifying his GOAT status?

SPEAKER_01: 56:06

He had help. Uh his numbers weren't the same. His career points were uh mostly very low from his aka 27 points that he uh you know acknowledging that he has. But I I I don't think uh he's a goat for me. Uh at the end of the day, he's a great, like like he says, all-around player. He does play all five precisions, which is good. Uh again, height-wise, uh compared to Jordan taking over of that. Um but as far as physicality, as far as being fierce, as far as people calling him black Jesus, as far as people saying that, you know, he's one of the toughest competitors, uh, talks shit, backs it up, uh, doesn't miss a game, uh, doesn't uh take shit from anybody. Uh six trips, uh freaking you know, the bro, there's nobody in this era right now that is compared to the guy right now, and your guy is chasing something that he cannot get, and he's 22 years in the league or whatever fucking years he's been in there, he's still trying to get it. And at the end of the day, is that I just wish Steph Curry can win one more trip so I can put him over LeBron James, uh, and he did it on LeBron James era. You know? But before anything, uh I want to give LeBron, I mean, I'm sorry, Raymond a little bit more. In the 2003, 2004, uh LeBron didn't make the playoffs. 2004, 2005, again, LeBron didn't make the playoffs. 2005-2006 got knocked out in the second round. 2006, 2007, Cavaliers uh lost in the finals. 2007, 2008, didn't make it out the second round. 2008, 2009, and Cavaliers made the conference finals and lost. 2009-2010 again didn't make it out the second rounds. Guess what? I'm taking my talents to South Beach 2010, 2011, lost against the Mavericks. 2011, 2012, guess what? He won against the Thunder. 2012, 2013, guess what? They won. Ain't that some shit? 2013, 2014 Heat. They lost against the Spurs. 2014, 2015, lost against the Warriors, 2015, 2016, won against the Warriors, 2016, 2017, lost against the Warriors. Oh, look at that, 2017, 2018. They got swept by the Warriors. Shit, seems like the Warriors got their number. Anyway, um, Lakers, 2019, 2020, the bubble. That's not a fucking, that's just a flag. I'm nobody counting that, but for you know what? Let's give it to you guys. Is that one of the chips? Is the bubble? It's a chip. That's a champ, that's the only reason he's got four. Okay. I didn't know that one. If not, he would have had three.

SPEAKER_04: 59:11

I didn't know that one, Raymond.

SPEAKER_01: 59:13

All right. Uh 2020, 2011 didn't even make it. All right. Uh 2020, 2021 didn't even qualify for the playoff position. 2022, 2023. Lakers lost in the conference, third round. 23-24. Got swept by the Nuggets. All right. 24-25. Lost against the Timberwolves. 25-26. Uh, you know, they're still trying to figure that shit out.

SPEAKER_04: 59:42

Yeah, yeah. Where we at right now.

SPEAKER_01: 59:45

Yeah, this is the one we at right now.

SPEAKER_02: 59:47

Yeah. So, I mean, are you saying Jordan made the playoffs every year? He was in the NBA?

SPEAKER_01: 59:51

Uh, still now from 84 to 80 to 90, uh, he did not make it, but he did play the phenomenal all. Star team, which gave Larry Bird 64 points, and he had five All-Stars in there. Alright? Let's get down here. Drafted uh Mr. Scottie Pippen on that year with which was uh 89. Uh drafted Scottie Pippen. Scottie Pippen, alright? So you say he needed help, right? 89, 90, 91. Took him two years to fucking win a chip. That's called playing around.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:23

Who did the Cavs have when LeBron didn't make the playoffs?

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:26

Who did the Cavs have?

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:27

Yes, who did they have besides LeBron James? He was the number one pick. Who did they have on that team? He was carrying bums. Was he starting? Yes. What year was this? He didn't have nobody. That's why he left. That's why he left the working heat. They were not getting him no players. That's a lie. Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:00:45

That's why he didn't play. What year?

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:46

In 2023? Draggling Yuga Donis or whatever the hell his name is.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:50

No, we're talking about when he first came out.

SPEAKER_02: 1:00:52

It was Scrubs. Come on, Darwin. You know basketball. There was no one on that team. That's why he left.

SPEAKER_04: 1:00:58

I mean, yes, that would cause somebody to leave is go look for another organization. But one thing that I that one thing that I I I've always felt is like wherever you get drafted, you should stay. But that's a different subject. Wherever you get drafted at, that's where you should stay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:12

Okay. Yeah. 2004, 2003. That was, yeah, you just counting one year? Oh, yeah. He played seven years. Okay. Come on, man. There was bums on that team. Okay, let's be over here. Let's go to let's go to 2005. Okay. Uh oh shit. Not 22.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:29

He was like on how many teams before he came to the Cavs. He was with the Bulls. He was on. Come on.

unknown: 1:01:36

Okay.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:36

Let's get over here. I'm sorry, ladies and gentlemen. I didn't have that uh this research here, but he's, you know. I'm just saying. That's why he left.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:47

That's why LeBron left.

SPEAKER_02: 1:01:48

Yes, that's why he went to the Heat.

SPEAKER_04: 1:01:50

Gotcha.

SPEAKER_01: 1:01:53

Larry Hughes. Uh, who else? Drew Goodman. Oh my god. Sasha Zpakovich. Okay. Come on. I mean, what how more do you do you need, bro? You have some good plays up in here. All right, all right, all right. Come on. Yeah, they're all stars.

SPEAKER_02: 1:02:11

That's funny. That's funny. That's come on.

SPEAKER_04: 1:02:13

All right, fellas. We're getting to the end of this, alright? So uh this is gonna be our last comment. And based on round number three, I want you all to go into the comments below. We've been dropping stats. Remember, the third round was talking about what is it that was the finding moment for your player to become to crown the GOAT. Um Raymond had uh the Warriors uh uh going all the way and bring coming back from a Warriors to uh it looked like it was gonna be a defeat in the playoffs, um, and then coming back and then win it. And then D. Hustle had MJ uh making that uh final shot. Um and who did he shove? He shoved um it was Brian Russell. Brian okay. Um and obviously the shove think that it could potentially have been a offensive foul during this era, but he still had to make the shot and it was a winning shot, and all that was while he had the flu, which is very noteworthy. But, anyways, put your comments below, let me know who won, and definitely uh if there are any other stats that you want to throw out there, put them in the comments below. What do you gotta say, D?

SPEAKER_01: 1:03:10

Uh, I'm just a little curious because right now the Lakers are doing a phenomenal job without LeBron being in the team. All right, let's let's let's be let's let's be realistic here. Um I know he doesn't want to be a bench player, but unfortunately, if the team if he comes back and he does not start, of course he's gonna cry like always and wants to get what he wants to do and he's gonna want to be traded. Uh hopefully he gets traded, uh, because the Lakers don't need that type of garbage in the in their organization. Uh maybe he goes to the Cavs because he probably wants to go to a good team, but I digress. Um at the end of the day, if he comes back with his aka sciatica that he has, um can we confirm that his injuries are fake?

SPEAKER_04: 1:03:58

Wow, that's a tough that's a tough one there.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:01

Yeah, that's a pretty harsh comment. I mean, that's a harsh accusation there.

SPEAKER_01: 1:04:05

I mean, I remember so perfect example. Let me give you a scenario. You remember back uh last year when he got bumped with somebody and they say he's tore his uh knee or or whatever the case may be, and then the next day he was at a party dancing. Uh so is is it fake or is it not fake? I mean, I I'm confused here. Please enlighten.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:26

Well, how how does the fan actually feel about it? I think they are just taking their time. He's 41 years old, so they're just not rushing him. So that's I don't think it's fake. Come on now. I mean, yeah. They're just taking their time.

SPEAKER_04: 1:04:40

So so they're keeping the horse in the stable to get ready for the big moment.

SPEAKER_02: 1:04:45

You know, Luca is kind of handling the ship right now, so yeah, it's not fake. So yeah. That's that's all I have to say. All right, all right, all right. Yeah, Lakers are 8-3 right now. Luca's. Hustle's still wondering. So pondering. All right. No, he's cut he's not gonna get off the bench. They still need they can't win a chip right now without LeBron. You think they they can't even no, they need LeBron.

SPEAKER_01: 1:05:10

Come on. I mean, they're going phenomenal, right? I see. I would be amazed if they LeBron does not play this year and they go to the chip. That says a lot about LeBron.

SPEAKER_04: 1:05:22

I mean, that that that talks about the same thing when he left Miami, how Miami hasn't been able to recuperate. Um, it would be interesting to see. Um, but definitely something we'll keep an eye on. And if you want to follow along, follow our show, the Tech Hustle Podcast. We have a special segment in our podcast that does a shorter segment of this called sports updates, and D Hustle holds it down. Um, and we'll definitely be tracking it. So um I want to say I really, really enjoy the conversation. Give both of you a round of applause. Uh, big, big round of applause. Yes, for both of you. Yeah, yeah. Come on. I'll tell you one thing that I noticed in this debate, and this is just a little bit of feedback here. Um, LeBron fans are also fans of Jordan.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:09

Of course. We don't hate Jordan.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:11

I'm just saying.

SPEAKER_02: 1:06:12

LeBron's fans. It's opposite. It's Jordan fans that hate LeBron.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:16

Let me just rephrase. I don't know why. LeBron fans are still fans of Jordan's. Of course. Jordan fans are not fans of LeBron.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:23

That's right.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:24

Um, and that right there tells a lot to me in terms of what it means to be a GOAT. And maybe even something we need to consider in our community is you goat during a certain error, um, and then you're not considered the goat of all times.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:38

I'm gonna give you my reason why.

SPEAKER_04: 1:06:40

So that that's my opinion from what I see.

SPEAKER_01: 1:06:43

LeBron is a phenomenal player, he has done a lot as far as being an all-around player. Um, he went from a 19-year-old kid uh playing ball from high school, going back to lead. Not the last person who had done that, if I'm not mistaken, was Kobe. Um again, the reason I don't like LeBron as much is because number one, he says he wants to be like MJ. He says he's look up, he looks up to MJ. He says he wants his number 23, then he changes because he wants to have the respect for 23, then he changes to his number six. Then he goes back, uh, you know what? I want to be like MJ so bad. Let me go back to number 23. Then he wants to do things like MJ does, but then when the ball is not the right time, the right shot, instead of taking the shot, he passes it. At the end of the day, you can't compare yourself and want to be somebody and be feared like somebody, but when the time comes to become the player, you back down. Don't say you want to become a fierce player, take the shit, take a phenomenal, be a phenomenal player, do all that, and when the time is all that, you fucking don't take accountability, you point the other direction. Don't do that. At the end of the day, if I want to be somebody, I have to emulate you. You know when you work in everybody here's an IT field. When you start, who do you want to emulate? Computer, credentials. You say Bobby D or Raymond. That means you have to be the same status, the same qualified, or whatever. If not, you're a dun. Don't say that you are. I'd rather you say, you know what, I try my best. I couldn't live up to his potential. And let me step back and let me do my own destiny. But no, you want to continue. You want to say I am, I'm still here, I still am. And you're still changing stats. But instead of saying it's just it's just basketball, what? No, it's totally a two different mentality. I'm not there to destroy you. I don't want wow, I'm not here to be in your team. I don't want to play with Steph Curry. I want to go against Steph Curry, I want to dominate him, I want to put him in his misery. I want to say, I want his kids to say, I'm the best basketball player. I'm not gonna be saying I'm the goat. That's another thing. I don't say I'm a goat. None of the best players has ever said that they're the goat. The only one who ever done that was LeBron. And that's why you're getting a lot of heat on your ass. But you don't, again, you don't take accountability. You point the fingers. If you have a rebuttal for that, I'll shut up forever.

SPEAKER_02: 1:09:37

Actually, he needs a rebuttal. You need you need the.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:44

And the only one who has succeeded was Kobe.

SPEAKER_02: 1:09:47

I mean, did he succeed? You don't think he had the Melmba mentality. I'll give you that. He has five chips. Okay, so you're saying he succeeded because he has one more extra chip than LeBron.

SPEAKER_01: 1:09:58

I mean And he has done back to back to back.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:01

Okay, all right.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:02

I mean, and and I you know what one thing that I go ahead, go ahead.

SPEAKER_04: 1:10:06

Go ahead. I'll make my last comment in a little bit.

SPEAKER_02: 1:10:08

He is a more juvial guy. Jordan. Juvial, as in like, you know, I want everyone involved. Jordan is just very centered. He's just not going to. That's the difference. Like, LeBron is gonna give another person to take that shot. Jordan is not. He's just that's just you're talking about two different people, two different personalities.

SPEAKER_01: 1:10:28

The Cavs game, when you took the shot, at the end of the day, he missed it, and he decided to say that his teammates were not performing at a high level. Again, you're not taking accountability. You point it as LeBron fans, you're the chosen one. You can't fuck up. Right? It's bad for your reputation, it's bad for your look. If you ask Jordan who's gonna take the final shot, he says, I am. Every time he says that.

unknown: 1:11:01

Yeah.

SPEAKER_01: 1:11:01

It's all over the place. Look it up. I mean, you need the laptop, you shouldn't use the laptop today.

SPEAKER_02: 1:11:06

I know. I'm just Jordan is uh very, yeah, yeah. It's two different personalities. That's what I'm gonna say.

SPEAKER_04: 1:11:11

All right, so let me drop my last comment here before we jump off. Uh, first of all, I want to say thank you both. Give both yourselves a round of applause. Yes, dear. A round of applause for pulling up, uh, chatting up about sports, uh, chatting about uh your favorite players, uh, and definitely uh I have an opinion about the GOAT status, and I'm I'm gonna drop it on you. So just to kind of give y'all perspective, what I see in this game is that it there are two different eras of ballers. Definitely. Um one that came from an era where they used to carry razor brays and knives, and now we have an era where they carry pepper sprays and um uh what do they call the tasers, right? Um I think that the way that Michael Jordan is, his personality, he would dominate this era of basketball. Definitely undoubtedly without shooting threes. Without and and if shooting threes was your thing, he would actually get even better at Steph shooting threes because then he would be competing with Steph if you think about it, right? He wanted to compete. He didn't want to have team members that no, he wanted to be the only one. LeBron, a great, amazing player, amazing journey, 19-year-old, still in the league right now, undeniable, undeniable his contributions. Is it a status of GOAT? The reason why I say is that LeBron is still a fan of Jordan, and I don't think Jordan is like a fan of LeBron comparing himself to it. If I ever seen Jordan come out and be like, hey, the next one up was LeBron and yeah, he's holding it down. I seen Jordan point at Kobe and say that, and we've seen Kobe. But I haven't seen him point at LeBron in that sense. And for me, if I'm already a GOAT, I'm recognizing the next one to come out. And in my opinion, Jordan hasn't recognized it yet. So he sees something, he sees something that we don't see, and basically not the things that fans see because it is a fan type sport. Until I see that, my opinion is, and this is just my opinion, y'all can write anything there, Jordan is definitely GOAT over everybody. Um, when you hear the stories of players playing against him and how much he intimidates them, sleepless nights, it wasn't like, hey, I wanted to go take a picture with him. They were like, yo, we're ready to go fight with him because he's gonna be fighting them too, right? Um, and the other thing about GOAT status is the last shot tells me who's the GOAT. When the game is on the line, the clock is ticking, there's not not one time that Jordan did not say pass me the ball, regardless of the outcome, because there's a lot of shots that he missed. Regardless of the outcome. On the other hand, we have a team player that rather passed the ball rather than standing in the goat light. If you look at Kobe, Kobe was that definitely took that shot and was pursuing that, in my opinion. I didn't even like Kobe like that. It's just RIP Kobe, because I I've drugged his name in the mud plenty of time, but I got so much more respect for him, and it sucks that after he's passing that I'm mentioning it, but truly, that's for me the difference between the two. So I I really don't care how much more LeBron has on the books. Um, I think in terms of where he was able to make his mark, his time is passed, but he's definitely gonna have a nice following afterwards. So big ups to him, congratulations, no shade at all. It's just when you're comparing to Jordan, um, we lived through that era and we saw it, and it was definitely different than what we see right now. So uh I just wanted to encourage, especially those 80 babies, to put some respect on it and let younger audience members and people that follow along understand what the difference is, even though we still got some of y'all that's still but you you still on Jordan too, so it's not like you fax. He's been converted. He enjoys the game now. It's alive, somebody that's in the in the hustle, that's somebody that's actually doing it. Um, but uh man, give a big round of applause for episode number 74. We went for an hour and 15 minutes for that just let it play it out. I really enjoyed the conversation. Um, and thank y'all so much for for coming in. It is the tech hustle. We're always holding it down. Stay tuned. Um, and actually, comment below your feedback. Let us know what you felt was on point. Let us know what you felt about Raymond not bringing his laptop because I I know how he forgot. Uh D Hustle came through with some stats. You shout out LeBron, so I give you some uh you you brought up his stats. I don't know if it's called shout outs. Yeah, I brought up his stats.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:26

And I gave him his points when he needed his points, but uh again, no comparison for me.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:31

And then Raymond, as always, I appreciate you coming in, gear.

SPEAKER_01: 1:15:34

And if Anthony Airworks continues the way he is, K. That's a different story, bro. Let's talk about facts right now. But I mean some people might be calling him the next Jordan, but pause it. That's too much too much right now. Too much.

SPEAKER_04: 1:15:48

But, anyways, thank y'all so much for tuning in to episode number 75. Uh, we have a lot of stuff going on, uh, so definitely check us out on our website, uh, the techhustle.com. Big shout outs to all of our sponsors from Marvelous Creations, uh, Sunshine Photography, uh, Wonder Lux, uh, the Social Project. Uh, if you've partnered with us, sponsored on our show, uh, thank you so much. And if you are looking to come onto our show and be a sponsor, I'll let your boy I got you for sure. Um, we'll have our next episode, episode number 75 coming up soon.

SPEAKER_00: 1:16:15

Yeah.

SPEAKER_04: 1:16:15

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